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Episode 5

Customer Experience: How It Can Increase or Kill Your Revenue

September 29, 2026 ·40 min

May and Jab reveal why customer experience starts before your customer knows they have a problem, and how adding more tech can quietly cost you revenue.

Show Notes

Jab stopped buying lattes from one of the top three Starbucks in the country for app orders. It wasn't the coffee. It was the app that was meant to make everything faster. In this episode, Jab and May reveal why customer experience is the most underrated lever in your business, how one wrong step quietly costs you customers, and the simple exercise every owner should do before adding more tech.

Jab Siwela is a marketing strategist and the founder of Revalty, a growth partnership for wellness brands. May Zhan is the founder of Venture Voice, an AI and automation consultancy, and brings an MBA and deep systems expertise. Together they break down customer experience from two routes: the feeling that keeps customers coming back, and the systems that deliver it at scale.

They explain:
■ Why customer experience starts before your customer even knows they have a problem
■ How an AI chatbot nearly lost a booking by asking for too much, too soon
■ Why adding more technology can break the very experience it was meant to fix
■ What to map before you automate anything, and why automations fail on edge cases
■ How a pair of socks in the post turned one customer into a lifelong fan
■ Why a loyalty programme can't fix a broken customer experience

Your Listener Challenge
Map your customer journey from first touchpoint to after the sale. At every step, ask: is this adding to my revenue or quietly costing me it? Pick one thing to fix this quarter.

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Chapters
00:00 Cold open
00:44 Why customer experience is underrated
02:37 Defining customer experience: the feeling
05:44 The spa AI chatbot
10:24 The two-hour Amazon voucher refund
11:44 Where to start: walk the journey as a customer
13:10 Mapping awareness to advocacy
15:20 When the Starbucks app broke the experience
17:31 Marketing as a philosophy, not a function
19:21 Where automation makes customer experience better
20:46 AI chatbots versus a human in the loop
22:04 Personalisation, data and the FreeAgent socks
25:20 Best experiences and time to value
28:50 Does aesthetic matter?
31:13 Apple unboxing and the Mercedes garage
33:30 Loyalty programmes: Nectar, Godiva, Amex
38:28 One thing to change this quarter

Why Your Customer Experience Could Be Costing You Revenue

Why Your Customer Experience Could Be Costing You Revenue

Why Your Customer Experience Could Be Costing You Revenue

Think about the last time a business made you feel looked after.

Not just served. Looked after.

Now think about the last time one made you feel like a number. You probably remember that one even better.

That's customer experience. And in this episode of May Contain Jab, Jab and May make the case that it's the most underrated thing in your business. Get it right and you spend less chasing new customers. Get it wrong and people leave without telling you why.

It's how people feel

May puts it simply. Customer experience is how your customer feels as they work with you. Not what you deliver. How it feels to get it.

Jab thinks it starts even earlier, before someone knows they have a problem. Most businesses jump straight to the welcome email and the thank-you message. But what did you do before that? Did you help them understand what was going on? Did you make it simple?

When the tech gets in the way

May was booking a massage for her boyfriend's birthday. The spa's AI chatbot was brilliant. Fast answers, all the detail she needed.

Then it asked for her email, phone number, full name and her partner's birthday before it would show her a single available time. She hadn't even decided to book. And they already had her number, because she was messaging them on WhatsApp.

She booked anyway. But plenty of people wouldn't have.

Jab's story hits closer to home. His local Starbucks in Bracknell is one of the top three in the country for app orders. He's stopped buying lattes there.

The wait is now around 15 minutes. He reckons it's quicker to drive out, buy beans, get home and make one himself. The staff he used to laugh with are too stressed to chat. The app was supposed to make things better. For Jab, it made them worse.

Walk it before you automate it

So where do you start? May's answer: be your own customer.

Go through your business the way a customer would. Write down every step. Then write down everything that could go wrong: the email that never arrives, the form nobody finishes, the question nobody answers.

"Only when everything is mapped out and very clear, does it make sense to start introducing automations," she says.

Because automations don't fail on the normal days. They fail on the odd ones you didn't plan for.

The little things stick

Some of the best examples in the episode cost almost nothing.

Jab had been using FreeAgent, his accounting software, for a while. One winter, a pair of socks turned up in the post from them. He still talks about it.

Loyalty works the same way. Jab ignored his Nectar card for years because the rewards felt miles away. Once the discounts became instant, he started using it again. The sooner people feel the benefit, the more likely they are to stay.

Or as Jab puts it: "It's a party if you get it right. It's a nightmare if you don't."

Try this before your coffee goes cold

Grab a pen. Sketch out every point where a customer deals with you, from first hearing about you to after they've paid.

At each point, ask yourself one question: is this making me money, or quietly costing me it?

Pick one thing to fix this quarter. Just one.

Want the rest? Listen to the full episode for the two-hour Amazon voucher saga, what the Mercedes garage gets right, and the line from May that Jab wants as a tattoo.

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